Bloomberg View columnist Barry Ritholtz interviews Jack Devine, a CIA veteran and founding partner and president of The Arkin Group LLC, which specializes in international crisis management, strategic intelligence, investigative research and business problem solving. During his more than 30 years with the CIA, Devine was involved with sensitive projects in virtually all areas of intelligence, receiving the agency's Distinguished Intelligence Medal and several other awards. Devine is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and author of the New York Times bestseller “Good Hunting: An American Spymaster’s Story.”  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Bloomberg View columnist Barry Ritholtz interviews Thomas Gilovich, the Irene Blecker Rosenfeld Professor of Psychology at Cornell University. He has conducted research in social psychology, decision making and behavioral economics, and is best known for his research in heuristics and biases in the field of social psychology. He is the author of several books, including "How We Know What Isn't So: The Fallibility of Human Reason in Everyday Life," and is the co-author (with Amos Tversky) on the seminal study on the myth of the “Hot Hand” in the NBA. His most recent research explored experiential and material consumption and what makes people happy.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.