Bloomberg Opinion columnist Barry Ritholtz interviews Francis Greenburger, who is founder and chief executive officer of Time Equities Inc., a multibillion-dollar real-estate investment and development company. He is also the author of “Risk Game: Self Portrait of an Entrepreneur.”  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Bloomberg Opinion columnist Barry Ritholtz interviews journalist Bethany McLean, a contributing editor at Vanity Fair and author of the recently released "Saudi America: The Truth About Fracking and How It's Changing the World." McLean also co-wrote "All the Devils Are Here: The Hidden History of the Financial Crisis" and "The Smartest Guys in the Room: The Amazing Rise and Scandalous Fall of Enron." She was previously editor at large of Fortune and spent three years working at Goldman Sachs as an investment banking analyst.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.