Barry speaks with Stephanie Kelton, Professor of Economics and Public Policy at Stony Brook University and Senior Fellow at the Schwartz Center for Economic Policy Analysis. Previously, Professor Kelton was Chair of the Department of Economics at the University of Missouri, Kansas City. In addition to her work in academia, Stephanie has held numerous roles in the political sphere. She served as chief economist on the U.S. Senate Budget Committee, and was senior economic adviser for Bernie Sanders’ 2016 and 2020 presidential campaigns. She has made virtually all the 'top 50 lists' including POLITICO's 50 Most Influential Thinkers in 2016 and Bloomberg Businessweek's 50 People Who Defined 2019. She was also named to Barron's 100 Most Influential Women in Finance. She has held several visiting professorships and has written for publications such as the Financial Times, The New York Times, CNN, and more. On this episode, Barry and Stephanie discuss US fiscal policy, recession risks, and her New York Times bestseller The Deficit Myth: Modern Monetary Theory and the Birth of the People’s Economy. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Barry speaks with Philipp Carlsson-Szlezak, Boston Consulting Group's Global Chief Economist. Prior to this role at BCG, Philipp advised financial institutions and governments at the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) as well as McKinsey & Company. He was also Chief Economist at Stanford C. Bernstein. He is a frequent contributor to Harvard Business Review, World Economic Forum, and various other business publications. Philipp also leads the Center for Macroeconomics at the BCG Henderson Institute. On this episode, Barry and Philipp discuss structural changes to the global economy, doom-saying, and his book Shocks, Crises, and False Alarms: How to Assess True Macroeconomic Risk. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.