Jim Dunn is the CEO and CIO of Verger Capital Management, an Outsourced CIO business whose anchor client is Wake Forest University. Prior to forming Verger, he served as CIO of Wake Forest for five years. That transition from a sole client to an OCIO business, is a fascinating part of our conversation. Before joining Wake, Jim traveled the world as CIO of Wilshire Associates, where among other things he experienced the best story of a manager getting their foot in the door that I’ve ever heard.  He got his start in the business trading death spiral convertible bonds at a now defunct hedge fund and got introduced to manager selection at Investorforce. Our conversation starts with Jim’s career path, and covers a full range issues in allocating capital. We discuss defining risk tolerance, a factor-based approach to asset allocation, separating talent from luck in manager selection, the politics of endowment management, challenges using internal management, and culture.  If you listen carefully, you’ll hear a few one-liners. Jim is chock full of gems and life lessons. For more episodes, go to capitalallocatorspodcast.com/podcast Follow Ted on twitter at @tseides

Chatri Sityodtong is the Founder and Chairman of ONE Championship, Asia’s largest sports media property. Chatri started his career as many listening to this show have: he graduated from Tufts University, worked at Fidelity Investments and Bain Consulting, attended Harvard Business School, took a run at a technology start-up, and then spent a decade working at hedge funds, culminating in launching his own fund, Izara Capital, that grew to $500 million in assets. But Chatri’s story is vastly different from any stereotype he may appear on paper. Despite a comfortable life growing up, his family lost everything in the Asian financial crisis. A decade later, despite his financial success, Chatri felt an emptiness and loneliness at the top that he couldn’t shake. Instead of pushing on, he returned investor capital and moved back to Asia. From there, he followed his passion for Muay Thai fighting and began building a budding sports empire. Our conversation tells Chatri’s story, replete with lessons about entrepreneurship, investing, hard work, and the warrior spirit. For those who wonder if a career in the financial markets is the only thing they know, Chatri’s path suggests a different and fulfilling way forward. For more episodes, go to capitalallocatorspodcast.com/podcast Follow Ted on twitter at @tseides